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I could have bought the pumps for you TOWPRO and stubbfarmer for less than what you paid. I got two pumps for just under $120.
From: Cape Coral, FL | Registered: Jul 2004
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RTM, can I bug you next month when I wanna get one?
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Are these pumps still hard to find?? My local auto parts store has two in the warehouse and one in missuri.. One will be mine on friday... I can post info if needed---Fog
From: Oklahoma | Registered: Jun 2004
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What's the big deal here? You guys USE your powersteering??
-------------------- 1979 Bronco 400 sitting on a stand PowrLok front ARB rear OBA sponsored in part by: York & OSH f-350 brakes rear BC Broncos disks High-Angle drivelines Oh Bronco! When shalt thou be driven? And to whither? Thine engine lieth fallow.
From: Round Rock, TX | Registered: Oct 2002
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thanks for the legwork (and thank your parts dude/dudette)
just installed mine and it's much QUIETER than my ol piece o' sht stocker (that puked out in the middle of Nevada last year). only need to find a better hose than my custom one since my fuel pump, pump return and pressure line all cross beneath the pump.
chris reno, nv
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From: Reno, NV, USA | Registered: Jan 2001
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Just found this post and called around. They are still available in Canada mine coes in on tuesday. $200 ouch.
From: Canada,Ontario | Registered: May 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Big blue bronco: Just found this post and called around. They are still available in Canada mine coes in on tuesday. $200 ouch.
Is that US dollars or Can. dollars? I could have gotten one for ya for $60 plus shipping.
From: Cape Coral, FL | Registered: Jul 2004
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I'm assuming all you guys are mounting these to 351M/400 engines. Has anyone mounted one of these pumps to an FE (360/390)? What's involved with doing so? Since Ford never installed a Saginaw pump on an FE, brackets would have to be fabricated, I suppose. If anyone has done so and can provide pics I'd be grateful.
this Sag Pump is a Direct replacement for the Ford Plastic/aluminum Pump
now in you case you have the older cast iron round pump on your rig the bolt pattern is the same pattern on the front this pump as the plastic/aluminum pump so yes physically this pump will bolt into your brackets what you will need to do is upgrade the power steering hose to a 78-79 model rig that is the newer version of what you own unless you have a F250 4x4 then you are prolly going to have to have a custom hose made then
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I had gotten two from Advance near my house for ~$70 each. I just brought one back because the bearing was bad and they told me the price has gone up quite a bit.
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From: SE New England | Registered: Jun 2006
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Okay guys, I'm going to a local parts store to see if the part they said was the Saggie Pump is the right one. They seem confused about the core fee and didn't seem to care if it was from the same unit or not. LOL
If it is, I'm thinking of seeing if they can get me another one for my '77 F150 since its squeelin like a pig with it's nuts in a gator's mouth.
-------------------- '79 Bronco Custom,4" Superlift suspension lift, custom built 408 w/Com Cam 260, high rise manifold, Holley 670 Truck Avenger, C6/205,New **** Cepek Mud Country 35x12.50x15's!
From: Hiring a Hit Man - You know who! | Registered: Jul 2005
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Well I bit the bullet and just picked one up for my F250. I don't know what the deal is with this truck, but even though it's a 2WD it eats PS pumps like crazy, so I'm hoping this will be the cure.
I paid $85.00 for mine, got it next morning.
I'm going to make a nice write up on this one, especially since my F250 has the old style metal Ford pump and must be converted over to 79 hoses.
-------------------- 79 RXLT, 408, C6, NP205, 33” BFGs, every option, maroon metallic, red int. 78 RXLT, 400, C6, NP203, all original, built 8/77, white & brown. 78 Custom, 351M, C6, NP205, Black on Black 77 F250 Custom 2WD, 351M, 4-spd, LWB, 62K miles, white & blue.
From: Spartanburg, SC, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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I actually converted it over to 79 hoses last year when I "borrowed" the pump off of one of my 78 Broncos. The 78 F250 2WD hose would not work on the 77, BTW. I had to buy a 79 hose.
-------------------- 79 RXLT, 408, C6, NP205, 33” BFGs, every option, maroon metallic, red int. 78 RXLT, 400, C6, NP203, all original, built 8/77, white & brown. 78 Custom, 351M, C6, NP205, Black on Black 77 F250 Custom 2WD, 351M, 4-spd, LWB, 62K miles, white & blue.
From: Spartanburg, SC, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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I ordered mine from Advanced Auto. I looked it up on their website and it arrived in about 4 days. The cost was $110 including $44 for a core charge. I then took the core and the email comformation to the local advanced auto and got the money for my core back. They took the old alum and plastic core. When the counter guy ask me why I didn't order from him I had him look up the part number and his computer showed it not available.
From: Kennett MO | Registered: Apr 2002
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i have a saginaw pump and bracket for my 460 i need to either figure out the lines or just buy a 20-6244. what would you do? advice needed. thanks
-------------------- 79 bronco xlt 460/c6/np205 front hp 60 4:88 rear 10.25 4:88 locker 44" tsl warn 15,000 2000 F350 psd cc lb 4x4
From: north carolina | Registered: Mar 2005
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Finally got around to exchanging the wining Cardone pump today. Wow, what a difference! The new pump is whisper quiet and the pulley doesn’t wobble on this one! All I did was bolt it up, fill it with fluid and that was it, she's as silent as can be.
Still, this pump had some exterior defects. There was some acid like corrosion under the paint around where the neck is brazed to the body. I took a wheel to it and removed the acid-like substance (possibly left over flux from brazing???) and repainted the neck before I installed it.
I don't know what's up with the quality control at Cardone, but it really sucks. Just beware that there's a good chance something will be wrong with the pump you get from these guys.
But it's worth it. What a smoooooth running pump it is!
-------------------- 79 RXLT, 408, C6, NP205, 33” BFGs, every option, maroon metallic, red int. 78 RXLT, 400, C6, NP203, all original, built 8/77, white & brown. 78 Custom, 351M, C6, NP205, Black on Black 77 F250 Custom 2WD, 351M, 4-spd, LWB, 62K miles, white & blue.
From: Spartanburg, SC, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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For all the product Cardone sells,I hear that they arent in the greatest shape ($$).Seems rebuilders are all having problems...a lot of them,including Westling Manufacturing and CCT CV shafts went belly up last year.With cheap Chinese imports,pretty soon there will be no rebuilts,just virgin new knockoffs.
My Saginaw pump I got from Cardone (77 Chevy application,not a direct drop in)had obvious signs of heavy rust under the black paint on the reservoir,and several poke marks that almost pierced the tin.Thankfully it doesnt leak,but down the road it just might.
From: NH | Registered: Sep 2006
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quote:Originally posted by Paul E: Well I bit the bullet and just picked one up for my F250. I don't know what the deal is with this truck, but even though it's a 2WD it eats PS pumps like crazy, so I'm hoping this will be the cure.
Something to remember if your pump goes out there is always the chance it can induse metal fragments in the steering box and hoses, this could lead to premature failure of the next pump.
-------------------- 1 ton 78, 408ci, SEFI, 70mm throttle body, 90mm mass air, mustang harness, tweecer R/T, 5.13's, 203/205 doubler, 39.5 Irok's on double beadlocks....
01 F250 supercab, 4x4, ZF 6 spd, 7.3L oil burner with a few mods.
quote:Originally posted by Paul E: Well I bit the bullet and just picked one up for my F250. I don't know what the deal is with this truck, but even though it's a 2WD it eats PS pumps like crazy, so I'm hoping this will be the cure.
Something to remember if your pump goes out there is always the chance it can induse metal fragments in the steering box and hoses, this could lead to premature failure of the next pump.
Or the centering valve in the box could be sticking and keeping the pump slightly on stroke and heating it up causing premature wear. Again, could be contaminates causing that.
From: Virgina Beach, VA | Registered: Jan 2002
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Found one in Reno Nev. if anyone still needs one. It is in the south Reno store. They want just over 100.00 and a 50.00 core no trade for the alum/plastic core. Also, aplication wise is, 78 thru 88 trucks, 77 thru 83 cars. It is called the extra duty p/s pump. Horse shoe bracket. So, any truck, van, or big car with all the options and large capasity should have them stock or so I was told.. Sources are Napa, Car Quest, Kragen/Checker out west. If anyone wants this one in Reno it looks like 150.00 approx plus tax and shipping and some help in the gas. I can get it and send to you.
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What a rip off. You can buy it online from one of the East Coast chains and still save a ton of money, even after paying for shipping.
No, it was never stock on anything. It's a new HD pump from Cardone / A1. It has a custom bracket, custom machined shaft, and a custom hose adapter on the back. I think they have a patent pending on the cast bracket as well.
So far mine is holding up perfectly on the F250. It's like a miracle.
-------------------- 79 RXLT, 408, C6, NP205, 33” BFGs, every option, maroon metallic, red int. 78 RXLT, 400, C6, NP203, all original, built 8/77, white & brown. 78 Custom, 351M, C6, NP205, Black on Black 77 F250 Custom 2WD, 351M, 4-spd, LWB, 62K miles, white & blue.
From: Spartanburg, SC, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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also though it will physically bolt on the newer rigs sometime in the 80s Ford changed the fitting on their pressure hose so in order to put it on a newer rig you will need a 80 style hose to go along with it but it can be done
quote:Originally posted by Paul E: What a rip off. You can buy it online from one of the East Coast chains and still save a ton of money, even after paying for shipping.
No, it was never stock on anything. It's a new HD pump from Cardone / A1. It has a custom bracket, custom machined shaft, and a custom hose adapter on the back. I think they have a patent pending on the cast bracket as well.
So far mine is holding up perfectly on the F250. It's like a miracle.
witch east coast chain? have a linky? thanks
-------------------- just shut-up and FISH!
From: Ca | Registered: Sep 2003
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I have one waiting for me but the kicker is that the pressure line going to the pump is a diff size then on my old stock pump. Anybody else run into this. Looks like diff thread count and alittle smaller then stock hose too. Working on 79 and all I found on hose part numbers search for diff vehicals were same #'s for the pressure hose. HELP, Thanks
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I ran into this when replacing stock Ford pump & hose. NAPA only shows one pressure hose for 79's, but it is different than the one O'Reilly's sells for the same thing. Included in the O'Reilly's box was a paper showing three different style fittings on the pump end????
-------------------- 79 Custom 400/C6/205 Candy-Apple Red/White. 79 RXLT 400/C6/205 Trailer Special Dark Brown 6400 GVW. 79 Custom 351/NP435/205 Free-Wheel Black 6400 GVW.
From: OKC, OK | Registered: Oct 2004
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Have no way to post pics. Just know that the stock pump is about 1/16th bigger hole and looks like comparing compression type threads on stock to looks like 5/8's pipe threads as are like on a brass fitting on the sag pump. I looked at the pics posted and my stock pump fitting where the hose goes on looks bigger then the pics on page 1. Thanks
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So 789BRONCS how did you fix this. The one I would get is from cardone and there isnt any mention of diff fittings.
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I being not the smartest guy on the planet bought a new (reman) pump from NAPA so I could use the fitting off of it with the new NAPA pressure hose which used a nylon washer. It was later that I discovered O'Reilly's was different, then after showing this to my friend at NAPA, he let me return the pump with my older fitting on it. He wasn't aware of the differences and only showed the one type for 79. Keep in mind this was for stock Ford pump - I once tried the Cardone 20-6244 but couldn't get the adapter to quit leaking after turning it downward towards steering box to attach pressure hose.
-------------------- 79 Custom 400/C6/205 Candy-Apple Red/White. 79 RXLT 400/C6/205 Trailer Special Dark Brown 6400 GVW. 79 Custom 351/NP435/205 Free-Wheel Black 6400 GVW.
From: OKC, OK | Registered: Oct 2004
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This may have been said already but, does the new pump come with a pulley, or do you reuse the old one???? All pics on online stores don't show any. Thanks and sorry if this is a dumb question.
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From: Pismo Beach, ca | Registered: Jan 2007
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Well I got mine, I got it from Kragen just called up and had it next day, I don't think these are hard to find mine was $100.00 after i turned in the core. Its a lot smaller than i thought it would be.
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From: Pismo Beach, ca | Registered: Jan 2007
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Quick question...where do you guys source stock type replacement hoses? I ordered the pump from partsamerica.com and ordered two new hoses while I was at it.
The pressure side hose looks fine but for return they just sold me a piece of bulk hose. My stock return hose has a short piece of hardline attached to one end. Can I order a hose somewhere to match or are you guys doing something custom? This is for a 79 bronco btw.
-------------------- 79 Bronco Brake upgrade and 4" cage lift in progress....
From: Studley | Registered: Mar 2007
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I didn't see any PS hoses in my JBG catalog.....but I just did a search on the site and found them. Picture showed it was what I was looking for. Sorry for the dumb question and thanks for the help.
-------------------- 79 Bronco Brake upgrade and 4" cage lift in progress....
From: Studley | Registered: Mar 2007
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I just picked up a '78 Bronco as a project truck. I don't have any mech skills, so I'm learning as I go with this truck.
With that said, what do y'all mean by swapping the core? Does this upgrade require the purchase of two parts, the pump and the core? And what's the deal with turning in a core for money? Somebody break this down barney style for me will ya? Or point me to the issue number of Bronco Driver that highlighted this swap.
From: Benicia, CA | Registered: Aug 2007
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The pump is sold as a rebuilt/remanufactured pump. They require the old pump you are replacing as a core return so they can rebuild/remanufacture that one for the next customer. If you don't turn in your old pump, they charge you extra (core charge).
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I know that I will probably have to go get a custom hose made, but I thought I would see if anyone had found a hose that worked well for this swap. The bends on the pump end don't allow me to have the hose run forward and to the box, plus the pulley on the pump might rub the hose, and to run the hose toward the back of the truck I have to loop it around the steering shaft to keep it away from the headers. So its going to rub on the steering shaft. Can anyone give me a guestimate as to how much a custom hose is going to cost? Or maybe a location in the Northwest to have one built?
-------------------- Leighton
"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." -Albert Einstein
From: Kingston, WA | Registered: Aug 2001
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I went and looked into ordering one of these pumps. According to oreilly's (our local parts house) the part number has changed to 20-6098? :-? Is that the same pump or are those goobers trying to sell me a different pump? Curious about it, before dropping a bunch of money into an upgraded pump, and winding up with the same old junk....
Thanks
-------------------- Watch out for that skinny pedal. Its evil. It loves to break parts, and leave you walking
From: Central Texas | Registered: Jul 2006
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I'm sort of glad this old subject has re emerged. Info or any one else ----- Has anyone tried this swap on a 77 highboy?
I mean, the physical mounting of the pump is a piece of cake, giving the fact that the highboy came with a 351M/400 (just use a 79 bracket), but the pressure hose is what I'm not sure about.
Anybody found a hose that will work with the older F250 4x4 power assist steering setup?
-------------------- 79 RXLT, 408, C6, NP205, 33” BFGs, every option, maroon metallic, red int. 78 RXLT, 400, C6, NP203, all original, built 8/77, white & brown. 78 Custom, 351M, C6, NP205, Black on Black 77 F250 Custom 2WD, 351M, 4-spd, LWB, 62K miles, white & blue.
From: Spartanburg, SC, USA | Registered: Nov 2000
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I just found this pump and swapped over. What a world of difference. It is so much better and is truly a direct swap. No changes in belts, brackets, or lines.
Thanks, Good information!
Bax
-------------------- 68 U15, injected 408c, Bill's Aussie heads, built AOD, np205, ARB's, 4.88's, BB9'' D44, Disk F/R, Yukons, 37's Cooper stt, wrap bar, Dual shocks, 3 1/2'' spring lift, 3''body lift, "Uncut", Line-X inside, sem underside, Family cage, Hydro boost.
From: Fla | Registered: Jan 2007
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I am going to revive this post again. Is this pump a direct replacement for a 88 460 EFI motor? It has a plastic/aluminum pump on the stock 88 brackets. Thanks.
-------------------- Robert Hutson (TX4Wheeler) 1978 Ford Bronco,460, C-6, D60 Front with ARB and 35 spline outers, D70 rear, disk brakes, welded diff,7" lift, 38X14.50 TSL/SX's, Warn 8274 winch.
From: Oil City, La | Registered: Sep 2001
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quote:Originally posted by tx4wheeler: I am going to revive this post again. Is this pump a direct replacement for a 88 460 EFI motor? It has a plastic/aluminum pump on the stock 88 brackets. Thanks.
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